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Josh Ledgard

August 2007 - Posts

  • Fixing The Problem with Niche Communities and Sub-Groups

    In the next release Community Server will support "Groups".  I love the feature, but it could create a new problem for community site managers.  How do you manage the creation and population of these sub-communities on your site? 

    I tend to agree with Sean and believe that Facebook does a terrible job of this.  And it's surprising to me because of the way they manage some of the groups functionality.  For example:

    Several Telligenti have submitted a request to create a private e-mail based group ala the @Microsoft.com group for folks at Telligent. We don't get any reply to our request. No follow-up, explanation, or guidance on how to proceed. Facebook is clearly protective about allowing more .com groups on their site outside of the big guys.

    The counter example to this controlled growth is found in their general groups functionality where anyone can create, join, and manage their own group.  I think about the only value here, from my experience, is the often humerous group titles that show up in your news feed when a friend joins a group like "When I was your age Pluto was a planet".  After that initial set-up nothing generally happens in the group.  So what's missing?

    What's missing is one part crticial mass and one part being drawn back into groups like you are drawn back to your facebook profile. Group specific events rarely show up in your news feed and that means you don't tend to go back.  That problem is easy to solve, but what about the critical mass question.

    Lets say, for the sake of argument, that I'm a Red Sox fan.  Lets search for a group to join.  there are over 500 results in the group category of search results. The first page of results is a scattered mess with indistinguishable groups that range between 7 to 5000+ members.  Which group should I join?  Facebook, or any other site that allows groups needs to solve the problem and there are several ways to do it.

    1. Allow groups to be sponsored and show them on top. 

    This may sound like selling out, but there is value to this. The Red Sox would probably pay Facebook handsomely to sponsor a group. Their official fan groups would be on top of the search results, fans could connect to the Red Sox more closely, and it would probably get critical mass to of people to create interesting discussions and content quickly. 

    2. Stop letting people create stupid groups or just delete them.

    Or at least put some sort of gates around it. Your group inactive for weeks on end.. it gets deleted unless you do something. The "controlled growth" clearly worked well for facebook as the opened from college to college and from corp to corp... why not use that same request methodology here?

    3. Strongly suggest merging groups or joining an alternative.

    There is plenty of meta-data available to a social site like Facebook that would allow them to create good recommendations of alternative groups to join if you want to create a public group. The group creation page should show people existing groups that match your request at every step of they way.  This could head off the creation of the the 500th Red Sox group.  Once you do create your group how about comparing the properties of that group with other similar public groups and suggesting a group merger?

    4. Improve Search Result Ranking.

    I'm not sure how Facebook decided to rank the search results, but it's clearly not by members or activity since there are several very active large groups on pages 3-10 of the search results of my Red Sox example. There are also dead groups on page 1.  People are going to pick a group on the first page... make it the right set. It would be really simple to rank groups by size. People are drawn to a crowd and the problem might solve itself.

    So my advice to community managers it to be careful about how you allocate your niche community groups. It can be a powerful feature for both public and private sets of people, but niche doesn't have to mean zero activity.

  • Making Entertaining Online Ads Means Variety as well as Entertainment

    It's no surprise to anyone that there are ads on the sites Telligent managers in conjunction with Microsoft.  At least it wasn't shocking to me when I came on to lead this team.  What was surprising was the lack of variety in the ads that I see go up on the site. Maybe it's just me, but a lack of variety means I instantly recognize and avoid the ad. 

    There is a good article here about the new wave of online advertising that's about creating an entertainment proposition for customers and I think that's clearly important, but something the article misses is the necessity of variety in your marketing strategy.  Grocery store owners have known this for years as they rotate product placements and those end of the isle sales in a never ended struggle to help customers see something new and get hooked on it.  I'm surprised how rare this approach is in advertising.

    A good example, and they could take it further is the series of bud-light radio "We salute you" ads.  Living in the pacific northwest I don't have much of a reason to drink bud light, but I stop and listen to just about every one of the ad spots I hear because there's a chance for a joke I haven't heard. There are several layers of humor within each ad and countless people that are saluted in different ads.  Once they had a working premise they churned on it to create variety.

    It costs orders of magnitude less to do this with online advertising, in fact you could rotate thousands of versions of your banner or text ad for the price of one well produced radio ad, but this approach is rare.  Most companies stick with one or two text ads, 5-6 banners, and a maybe a couple of flash ads to be rotated.  I won't comment on the entertainment value of these approaches, but that's also something to work on. 

    Variety in your messaging is just like variety in humor. What's funny to one set of people might not be funny to the other set of people that are looking at buying your product. One person, for example, might care about customizability of your product while another might care only about uptime. Why not create a version of your message for each? 

    Most companies are probably worried about brand and message dillusion. They are sticking to the advice about picking one thing, one message, and being the best at it. And that's a certainly a good way to look at building your product, but it might not be the best way to grab the most attention and rate of return on your advertising investment.

  • The Opposite of Community Server is?

    starbucksI had an amazing week in Dallas despite the 112 degree daily heat index.  It seriously felt like walking outside was getting into a hot car. Getting into a hot car was more like deciding to stick your head into the oven. 

    Helping out with Planning for Telligent, seing new products, and participating in an all-night coding competition got me thinking about the various markets and customers that use Community Server.  Then I saw Seth Godin's post about opposites.  It made me wonder what the opposite of Community Server is. 

    Is it Live Spaces or Blogspot?

    I'm not sure I see spaces as competition, but in several ways it's an opposite approach. Instead of customized SEO optimized niche community site designed around a topic area it's a one size fits all service for millions of individual bloggers. It's more of a melthing pot approach.

    FaceBook?

    Facebook changes the focus of a community site from content to poeple. From posts to profiles. Community Server today is much more focussed on optimizing content delivery over person to person connections.  Is that an opposite approach?  I think they are complimentary.  You really need to do both well to serve customers and it's really just a different pivot that's created by views on pretty much the same data.

    Custom Sites?

    If Community Server provides a templated framework to build a customer community then you could argue that another approach would be people that choose to build those frameworks themselves. 

    Sharepoint?

    You could argue that today Sharepoint is to enterprises what Community Server is to your customers. They are both collaboration tools, but one is focused on the external and the other on internal collaboration.  Sharepoint, however, in a lot of ways mirrors the Community Server pivot around content rather than people.

    Other?

    The Techcrunch folks put up a great list of Community Platform providers here

    Community Server is one of only 6 from the 34 vendors on a Microsoft Technology stack. The others are mostly LAMP.  But I don't think the choice of technology for your community platform matters as much to your customers. It might matter for your server farm and integration with your other systems, but not so much for customers so we can't use that pivot to define an opposite.

    From the chart Lithium Software only targets large enterprise deployments where their pricing is an intial setup fee and then a monthly charge based on the pagevews in your communities. This is pretty different from most of Telligent's offerings today. There is no "Lithium Community Server" for sale as a product so they are much more service focused with long term client engagements. That could be construed as an opposite today.

    Leverage Software only sells a hosted solution for clients at a flat rate. But there is hosted pricing for CS available.

    Defining Opposite

    In the end I think defining an opposite for Community Server is going to depends on the customers. Community Server, for example, is probably more platform than I need for Ledgards.com.  Someone looking for a simple family web site solution might find Community Server more than they need. So, in that regard I'm taken back to simpler hosted solutions for families targeted around the sharing scenarios like Flickr or Live Spaces. 

    It's not to say that Telligent couldn't go after those customers, but Community Server, as a for purchase product, probably isn't the answer for that market.   Sort of like Seth's Duncan Donuts versus Starbucks example.  So the next question becomes how you become the best Starbucks and do you also try and launch a chain of Duncan Donuts?

    At the end of the day I'm really excited about the potential at both the high and low end of the market for content & people platforms and I'm am thrilled to be part of the Telligent team. 

    duncan

  • Reduced Twice Red Wine Spaghetti Sauce

    We had some left over red wine that was just past drinkable so we decided to cook with it last Friday.  I found this on Cooks.com.

    http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1826,144164-243206,00.html

    I'd recommend adding 1 or 2 bell peppers, but I'm a bell pepper fan in my pasta sauce. Just mix them in with the onion mixture.  The second thing you can do is cook the pasta in a mixture of both wine and water for some extra decadence.  I'd certainly make this again.  Enjoy!

    REDUCED TWICE RED WINE SPAGHETTI SAUCE

    1 lb. hot ground Italian sausage
    2 lg. onions, chopped
    6 garlic cloves
    2 c. hearty red wine
    8 oz. beef broth
    2 lg. cans pureed tomatoes
    3 to 5 fresh tomatoes, chopped
    2 bay leaves
    1/4 tsp. thyme
    1 tsp. oregano
    1/2 tsp. basil
    Handful of crushed red peppers
    Salt and pepper

    In a heavy frypan, cook the sausage (we get extra hot sausage). Drain off the fat. Set the meat aside and put the fat back in the pan. Add the chopped onions. Saute over medium heat for 15 to 20 minutes until the onions are golden brown. Crush the garlic and add directly to the onions. Stir for 1 to 2 minutes. Add the red wine and bring to a boil. Scrape the bottom of the pan with a spatula.
    Place the sausage in a deep cooking kettle. Add the red wine and onion mixture to the sausage. Add boiling hot beef broth. Bring the liquid to a boil and reduce until the liquid has almost completely evaporated.

    Add the fresh and canned tomatoes and the spices. Return the sauce to a boil, lower heat and let simmer, stirring frequently for 30 minutes or until the sauce has reduced to desired consistency. Remove the bay leaves and season with salt and pepper. (We're convinced the more you reduce something, the better it tastes. If you have the time, this is a wonderful spaghetti sauce. Try this sauce with our Spaghetti Pie recipe.)

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